[robertm]

Hello - I want to get a all of the awesome mods , most of you guys have but i`m on the budget so i`m forced to proceed gradually with it - what i already did is : pegs , grips , tool bag - and i am so happy with it - said that - i am ready to move for the next step ( or next level - air intake , auto tuner , exhaust - but like i meantioned before i can do one at the time - so to make my question short and right to the point, can i get an Air Intake without auto tuner and with a stock pipes for now ? ( i chose air intake first simply because i like the look of it and that is the first mod i do to all my vehicles - not much experience with motorcycles ) - Any disadvantages to an air intake without an auto tuner and with stock pipes ? for now at least and is it suitable ? Thank You

 

[strykersnyder]

I'm in the same boat as you, want to do all sorts of mods but dont have the money to do them all.... I have upgraded my intake to the cobra powerflo and still have the stock pipes and no tuner. But one this i did do was drill some holes out of the baffle. That cost nothing and is very easy to do, this will buy some time (hopfully a year-ish) until I'm ready for new ones. I havent experienced any problems but not being able to go slow (but thats not a bike problem so much as it's a problem with me and how i ride, lol). I am curious, like you, if this wil pose any problems if i run my bike like this for long. I researched this and couldent find any real problems but i also couldent find any straight answers too.

 

[mkohnen]

I seen this on the site and it says it recommends an auto tuner, i only researched because i wanted to try the same thing.

You may be tempted to install the new PowrFlo Air Intake just because it looks better than stock. but you'll also be getting a lot more than a great styling update. With the PowrFlo Intake system you'll see improved performance across the power band, especially when used with the Fi2000R digital fuel tuner to optimize the airlfuel ratio.
Flows better than competing units in large part because of unique internal venture design
High-flow K&N Air Filter element ensures the best air intake and maximum protection for your engine
The PowrFlo system consists of an aluminum cover and all the fasteners, seats, backing plate and mounting hardware to make for an easy installation
Formed stainless steel mesh insert in the dual entry ports to keep out bugs and debris
Powder coated mounting cover
Aluminum cover available in black or chrome finish
Recommended use with the F12000 fuel tuner to optimize the bike's fuel because of the additional air flow available from the PowrFlo Air Intake System

 

[strykersnyder]

yup, i am aware of this. it says that right in the instructions too. but this implys to me that they recommend the tuner for preformance. i would think if it was harmful that there would be a warning lable with the verbiage something along the lines of... "only to be used in conjuction with a tuner...blah blah blah and so forth". maybe i compleatly misunderstand this. i really dont have much of a clue when it come to the mechanics behind a motor and trying to save up as much as i can as fast as possible... anybody need any landscape work done? how about a design? ...lol

 

[mkohnen]

Well I just ordered one so I'll let ya know!

 

[immortal13]

You can't do the air intake first. You will need a tuner.

 

[sicontex]

You will need a tuner once you allow more air. You do not need a tuner with exhaust only setup

 

[SmokenJoe]

Do you really? My VTX has Cobra Slip-Ons and a K&N filter with modified air box and runs strong. Fuel injected bikes will compensate very well. JMHO
http://www.yamahastarstryker.com/index.php/topic,3557.msg56208.html#msg56208

 

[mn stryker]

You will need a tuner once you allow more air. You do not need a tuner with exhaust only setup

x2

Autotuner by itself = OK
Exhaust by itself = OK
Intake without autotuner = no good

 

[SmokenJoe]

You will need a tuner once you allow more air. You do not need a tuner with exhaust only setup

x2

Autotuner by itself = OK
Exhaust by itself = OK
Intake without autotuner = no good

Not to start a pizzen contest, but why? Where is the info on that info?

 

[toby]

You will need a tuner once you allow more air. You do not need a tuner with exhaust only setup

x2

Autotuner by itself = OK
Exhaust by itself = OK
Intake without autotuner = no good

Not to start a pizzen contest, but why? Where is the info on that info?

Good point Joe,
I was wondering about that after reading from some on this forum and on other forums that you should get a programer if you do both exhaust and intake. However I don't recall anyone saying that if you didn't you would have problems? Except the guys with carbed bikes maybe? Having to re-jet the the carbs to compensate for the different air flow, causing lien/rich mixter problems. With a EFI system, If I'm not mistake, our stock fuel programer will do that job up to a point. I think the reason for stepping up the performance of the fuel programing is the same as changing the computer chip in a fuel injected car for more hp and will do the same with or without exhaust or air intake mods. So adding a higher performance fuel programer is just one more step to increase the hp. The fuel programer will give you a specific amount of hp gain. Adding more air and/or bigger exhaust will not change the amount of hp gain the programer itself is capable of giving. If that makes sense and I'm correct. However I don't know for sure I'm just guessing from my understanding of what I do know, so I think more research is in order. Like SmokenJOE said, where is the info?

 

[strykersnyder]

Good point Joe,
I was wondering about that after reading from some on this forum and on other forums that you should get a programer if you do both exhaust and intake. However I don't recall anyone saying that if you didn't you would have problems? Except the guys with carbed bikes maybe? Having to re-jet the the carbs to compensate for the different air flow, causing lien/rich mixter problems. With a EFI system, If I'm not mistake, our stock fuel programer will do that job up to a point. I think the reason for stepping up the performance of the fuel programing is the same as changing the computer chip in a fuel injected car for more hp and will do the same with or without exhaust or air intake mods. So adding a higher performance fuel programer is just one more step to increase the hp. The fuel programer will give you a specific amount of hp gain. Adding more air and/or bigger exhaust will not change the amount of hp gain the programer itself is capable of giving. If that makes sense and I'm correct. However I don't know for sure I'm just guessing from my understanding of what I do know, so I think more research is in order. Like SmokenJOE said, where is the info?

by all means i am not a mechanic nor do i frequently work on vehicles but i know enough to be comfortable to do my own minor wrenching on my own vehicles... so to my understandment, i agree with Toby 100%. i have herd that when you add 2 or all 3 mods together that they do work with each other to gain a few more hp than what they would do individually, i believe there is some sorta scicency physics word they call this, but im no rocket surgeon... anywho, regardless i have not come up with any info stating any negitive effects of running 1 or 2 mods over the other(s). but i am still curious if somebody who knows more than we do about this can chime in, shead some light on this subject, and throw down some facts?

 

[JNCFIX]

You can't do the air intake first. You will need a tuner.

why? the 1st thing we learned was to flip the air cleaner coper up side down on our cars. why is a motorcyle ant different? the tune would only enhance and balance everything, intake and exhaust.

 

[JNCFIX]

why would u get a programmer and be limited by ur intake and exhaust? if ur on a budget like me, do like we were kids. intake, exhaust, and the computer to blend it all togehter.

 

[immortal13]

You can't do the air intake first. You will need a tuner.

why? the 1st thing we learned was to flip the air cleaner coper up side down on our cars. why is a motorcyle ant different? the tune would only enhance and balance everything, intake and exhaust.

Because it changes your air/gas mixture ratio

 

[VERTAS]

I am like a lot of you and mainly have experience with cars and as for most cars installing an intake and exhaust is not enough to require an aftermarket fuel map. Usually the stock PCM will adjust the ratio as long as it is within it's safety parameters.
Now I have heard that this bike already runs lean stock, so if this is true than adding a intake and exhaust could put you too far lean while under wide open throttle. Usually when you do this with a car, your check engine light will go off and the car will go into a safety mode, "limp mode". It's a pain in the ass but it is there to keep you from completely blowing your engine.
If your bike is running excessively lean it doesn't mean the bike is going to run bad or slow under normal driving. It may actually feel like it has more power. It just means that continues hard riding while running lean will put excessive wear on your engine and could lead to a castrophic failure.