[john_stryker]

All,

I just ordered the 240 for my Raven - the dealer is telling me that I really wont notice a differnce becuase I am not changing the rim to a wider one. That the tire width really wont be noticeable. Those of you that have upgraded to teh 240 Avon, with the stick rim....can you post any pics from the back? Is there a differnce? Thanks for any input or pics. John

 

[sdsting]

There’s some old threads on this tire in great detail that will answer your question, about 20+ pages I think..

 

[mikoloe]

I did the Metzler 240! DAMINIT, Im still having a good time. There is a noticable difference in the ride and you dont need to widen the rim at all. My Harley friends have a little more envy.

 

[Stryker Lunatic]

your turns will be a lot smoother

 

[11Stryker]

Your Dealer don't know ship. 240 is 30MM (1-3/16") wider than the stock 210. And because you are putting it on the stock rim- it has a rounder profile which helps you maneuver better. Also with the stock 210 in a lean- you can feel the ridge on side of tire which is a little disturbing.

 

[BillyD66]

Your Dealer don't know ship. 240 is 30MM (1-5/16") wider than the stock 210. And because you are putting it on the stock rim- it has a rounder profile which helps you maneuver better. Also with the stock 210 in a lean- you can feel the ridge on side of tire which is a little disturbing.

Like what 11 said. Because it is "pinched a little" in the stock rim you get basically the same contact patch which is good. Other bikes with wider rims running 240's and 250's report the bike not wanting to corner as easily.
And, yes, in a harder lean I have hit the sidewall and if you are applying power it slides a little which creates a "pucker" moment. That would be gone with the 240's rounder/taller profile.
As for noticing the difference width-wise, check the photos. You won't be disappointed.

I'm too cheap to get one now but no doubt when the new tire time comes I'm going for a 240. Of course now I have to decide between the new Michelin and the Avon...

 

[strykenshane]

I went straight to the 250 Avon and I've been very pleased with the performance and comfort level, made turning this bike much easier and I think makes the twisties really easy, I feel like I can throw my bike around like a sport bike, my son who has always ridden sport bikes fell in love with mine after I added the 250


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[toby]

Did you talk to a sales rep at the dealer or a mechanic? In any case there is a big difference.

Physical evidence is proof. These are the measurable changes in clearance under the fender to tire, causing in some cases bottoming out of the tire and hitting the rub indicators.
Not allowing the shock to bottom out as the stock size tire would.
Also the width is wide enough for the tire to rub the lower belt guard in some cases.
Then you have the visual proof, it's noticeably larger by sight. Then you have feel, it is noticeable when you set on the bike your feet don't reach the ground the same, and the ride is much different too, much more stable and like some one said you don't ever get all the way to the edge of the tire in lean like you do with the stock.:wink:

The diameter of the tire is a percentage of the width, so increasing the width from a 210 to a 240 also increases the over all diameter even though the 2nd # 40 remains the same. This equates to 1/2" to 1" increase in height of the bike depending on what brand you use as they very slightly.

I'm am on my 3rd 240. I can tell you there is even a noticeable difference between brands and a night and day difference from the 210 to the 240.
So I would question the intentions of the guy you spoke to at the dealership or at least his level of knowledge.

I can't speak for the Avon but the bands I have used are Bridgestone being the stock, and I have had 2 , one I wore completely bald side to side, then the 240s starting with Metzler ME Marathon 880 front and rear, then a Dunlop E3 rear, and now Michelin Commander II front and rear. I put only 2,000 miles on the Dunlop because I was waiting on the C II to come in and needed a rear tire badly. I can say that the Metz is a far better tire than the E3 and the Michelin even better than the ME 880.
I haven't tried the Avon because they are said to be a low mileage tire in this area, but I'm finding out that all tires are low mileage in this area. Bridgestones 2,500 miles. The E3 had 2,000 miles on it and was half way to the wear bars, would have been lucky to get another 1,700 off it. Metzler was way past the wear bars at 4,850 miles. I can only hope that the C II gets the claimed double the miles as their competitors.

 

[Strykeback]

Toby your real world mileage on different tires is is very insightful and helpful for us still on our stock 210s looking to pull the trigger on a 240 when the time comes. I have 3000 miles on the stocker and I consider it about 50% worn. Are the roads in your area really rough and in need of resurfacing to cause what seems like pre-mature wear?

 

[Axorr]

Nah. He just rides THAT hard!

 

[Mr monte]

I have 5k miles on my 240 Metzler 880 rear tire & shows very little wear. With the 240 rear tire it does take a little more effort when leaning in the curves but the handling is way better. The taller tire also gives you more peg clearance.

Here's a pic I took this morning. Less than 1K of the 5K miles on this tire are hwy.

 

[toby]

Toby your real world mileage on different tires is is very insightful and helpful for us still on our stock 210s looking to pull the trigger on a 240 when the time comes. I have 3000 miles on the stocker and I consider it about 50% worn. Are the roads in your area really rough and in need of resurfacing to cause what seems like pre-mature wear?

Stykeback, Ya don't use my mileage as an example for any brand tire wear as I live and ride on the extreme side of ruff unmaintained mountain roads. They call these roads the goat track to Grizzly Peak. Truck and car tire wear are also cut in half. I admit my first tire went pretty fast because the bike was new and I was having fun, but most of the time I follow my wife on her 950 and she is a beginner going on her 2nd year of riding. So lets just say while following her I've counted 15 switch backs, 10 hair pin turn, 600 curves, 35 vertical cliffs 300+ trees that lean over the road, 900 pot holes, lol well you get the picture.
I live on the south west side of Grizzly Mt at 3,000 feet and ride some of the most treacherous mountain roads in the pacific cost mountains of Ca. Just to get to the Redwoods, Hwy 101 Ave Of the Giants, or over Grizzly Mt to Ruth lake, Hwy 36 it's the same.
So most of the guys are getting twice to 3 times the miles off any given brand of tire than I do.
Again Metz has given me the most amount of miles but I have to keep in mind that 1,000+ miles of that was from San Diego back up here.
To me the Metz was far the best performing tire yet but I only have 300 miles on the Michelin so give me some time and I'll comment on those tires. It will be awhile before I get back out because it's been raining for 5 days now.

 

[sdsting]

Toby I’m going to make that ride up to your neck of the woods one of these days, sounds like great riding up there.

 

[toby]

Oh ya Terry the riding is awesome once you get down one side of the mountain or the other and they are in the proses of completely repaving the Ruth Zenia road all the way to Hwy 36. So we will be going to Redding an Redbluff for our monthly shopping and weekly rides instead of Eureka or Ukia. 36 from Ruth to Redbluff and hwy 3 to 299 to Whiskey Town Lakes and Redding are just awesome riding.:wink: Then of course from Redbluff it's just a hop to the Tahoe area.:nod:

 

[john_stryker]

Thanks for the pic and info - is that the stock rim? I read various times some owners stating that they need to shave some off here or there due to scraping, others saying nothing scrapes.

 

[toby]

Thanks for the pic and info - is that the stock rim? I read various times some owners stating that they need to shave some off here or there due to scraping, others saying nothing scrapes.

The only places you need to be aware of are the lower belt guard and the rub tabs under the fender on the frame that come to a point. With a stock suspension setup/ not lowered and proper pre-load adjustment, you wont have any problems solo riding but 2 up packed you may bottom out hitting extreme dips and potholes.
I raised mine up to the one" lowering point and set the pre-load at #2, 2 up riding and being carefull over potholes had no bottoming out issues. . I did grind the rub tabs off and put a notch in the lower belt guard were the tier rubbed,

 

[Mr monte]

Thanks for the pic and info - is that the stock rim? I read various times some owners stating that they need to shave some off here or there due to scraping, others saying nothing scrapes.

Mine is stock rim & ride height, no trimming or shaving and I haven't had any rubbing issues even riding 2 up.

 

[UrbanRage]

I have the Avon 240 on the stock rim and I didn't need to trim anything.

 

[11Stryker]

My Son has the Avon 240 on stock rim, lowered 1" and has never even come close to bottoming out. I had that same 240 on my stock rim at one time with the L&M 1-1/2" lowering spring- 2 up with bags and never bottomed out. I don't believe it is possible unless you lower to 2-1/4".

 

[Guest]

Mine is stock rim & ride height, no trimming or shaving and I haven't had any rubbing issues even riding 2 up.

I have the Avon 240 on the stock rim and I didn't need to trim anything.

Make that 3.