[veney7]

Hey guys....

Had a long "discussion" today with a harley owner. He was telling me that the dealer invoice on our bikes was about 4 to 5 thousand. Now Im finding this hard to believe! Anyone else got an opinion on this? He said that for them to sell that much "plastic"...that it was a huge mark up and that we shouldnt support jobs over seas...blah...blah...blah... Just thought one of you might know or have an idea, so I can educate him!

Thanks

 

[11Stryker]

Typical HD Blah Blah Blah, Jealousy and Ignorance rearing its head!

 

[wlfpak65]

He Was Just Bitter Cuz Ur Bad Ass Bike Was Way Tighter Then His lol..... Haters All Around!! lol HD Form My Personal Opinion Is Over Rated..... Should Sell For Several Thousand Less Then What Their Out Their For??? Soo Maybe He Got Screwed lol

 

[kov68]

My dealer showed me his invoice price of $9642.00.
Now this still has some holdback included in the cost, so best guess would be around $9000.00

 

[ares x]

My understanding is there's very little mark-up or playing room with first year bikes, so I seriously doubt it.

Just tell him he's supporting jobs in Mexico.

 

[veney7]

Lol...I like that Ares..... To my understanding harley is doing more and more outsourcing over seas.

 

[sfcmcgan]

My dealer showed me his invoice price of $9642.00.
Now this still has some holdback included in the cost, so best guess would be around $9000.00

I have to agree with you!

 

[middleagecrisis]

The truth is we will never know what the "true" invoice is really. I have a friend who sells cars for a living and I asked him the invoice question. He gave me the run-around so either he doesn't know either or they are sworn on thier first child's life. Really doesn't matter. The true economics of it is you pay what you think it is worth to you. I had an economics prof explain it like this, "If you purchase an item on sale because you thought you were getting a good deal but would never purchase it at full price then you really aren't getting a good deal. This is because you are purchasing something you never would have purchased in the first place. It is only a true savings if it was something you were planning to purchase no matter the cost." I think there is a lot of truth to this statement.

 

[bozzly]

The truth is we will never know what the "true" invoice is really. I have a friend who sells cars for a living and I asked him the invoice question. He gave me the run-around so either he doesn't know either or they are sworn on thier first child's life. Really doesn't matter. The true economics of it is you pay what you think it is worth to you. I had an economics prof explain it like this, "If you purchase an item on sale because you thought you were getting a good deal but would never purchase it at full price then you really aren't getting a good deal. This is because you are purchasing something you never would have purchased in the first place. It is only a true savings if it was something you were planning to purchase no matter the cost." I think there is a lot of truth to this statement.

Never thought of it like that. Makes perfect sense to me.

 

[raven_stryker11]

Dealers have so many expenses and still have to make a profit. Not by any means a dealer I'm just saying!!!!

 

[sfcmcgan]

Dealers have so many expenses and still have to make a profit. Not by any means a dealer I'm just saying!!!!

Totally agree... I don't know of a single dealer (Friend or not) that would take a loss... too much overhead!!

 

[8sec-z]

Invoice has to be around 9k.
Don't support oversea's jobs?
I don't want to either.
If victory or hd made a bike that would hold its value or wasn't considerably overpriced, I would've bought it.
Fwiw- I took my dad's harley apart and found a few things stamped "made in china".
One of those parts were the wheels. It was a wide glide. What a crock.

 

[SmokenJoe]

When the Honda VTX came out most were selling for 11,000-14,000.....................that said by the end of the year they were selling for 9,000. And some less than that. The dealer still makes the same profit but the manufacture takes the hit. Ohio dealer was selling VTX1800 for 8,000 out the door at the end of the VTX run. Just like rebates on cars. Or employee discounts. The dealer makes the same.
I can't give you hard numbers, but my son has sold cars and was a finance guy and a gen. manager of a dealership.
He still wont give me exact numbers.

 

[ratboy]

While it’s true that Americans benefit from the sale of Harley Davidson Motorcycles, the same can be said of all motorcycles, regardless of where they’re manufactured. Motorcycles made in foreign countries are subject to a tariff upon entry into the United States. Then there are the people who make a living by unloading those motorcycles from the ship. Transporting them to locations all over the country also generates revenue that goes directly into the pocket of Americans. There are dealerships who sell these machines and service technicians who work on them. Let us also not forget the companies who make after market parts for all those metric bikes. It’s a multi-billion dollar industry with most of the money staying right here in America. So don't buy that crap that it is somehow more "patriotic" to buy a Harley. And the most American thing about all of this is that you are FREE to buy whatever you want!

 

[dliszews]

Dealers do not make much profit on the actual bike sale. Extended warranties, service work, and accessories and labor are their bread and butter.

 

[gator8]

Invoice is mol 8950 with some back monies depending on the time of year...Time for people to realize that it became a global economy a long time ago, and I too would be more than happy to own a hd, I don't due to pure economics..I just came from a hd dealer today and just take a look at there overhead...you talk about having to make a buck...those places are over the top and stocked full of things made over seas...and over priced to boot.

Most harley people are fully vested in one sided thinking...not all...but a great number are.

 

[toby]

The irony of all this is that I bought my V Star right from the Harley dealership for $5,000 with only 4,000 miles on it. And Harley's have a lot of parts on them from other country's also. And I bet if you look at their gear even though they have Harley Davidson patches all over them and they are hundreds of dollars more a lot of them say made in china or some where other than the USA. And for the plastic stuff the V Star has a bit of chromed plastic but the Stryker has very little and un like other metric bikes the fenders are mettle.

 

[wlfpak65]

While it’s true that Americans benefit from the sale of Harley Davidson Motorcycles, the same can be said of all motorcycles, regardless of where they’re manufactured. Motorcycles made in foreign countries are subject to a tariff upon entry into the United States. Then there are the people who make a living by unloading those motorcycles from the ship. Transporting them to locations all over the country also generates revenue that goes directly into the pocket of Americans. There are dealerships who sell these machines and service technicians who work on them. Let us also not forget the companies who make after market parts for all those metric bikes. It’s a multi-billion dollar industry with most of the money staying right here in America. So don't buy that crap that it is somehow more "patriotic" to buy a Harley. And the most American thing about all of this is that you are FREE to buy whatever you want!

I agree..... I bet people who make those dumb statements "Buy American Made" shop at "WAL-MART" Haaaaa Now tell me im wrong

 

[sfcmcgan]

While it’s true that Americans benefit from the sale of Harley Davidson Motorcycles, the same can be said of all motorcycles, regardless of where they’re manufactured. Motorcycles made in foreign countries are subject to a tariff upon entry into the United States. Then there are the people who make a living by unloading those motorcycles from the ship. Transporting them to locations all over the country also generates revenue that goes directly into the pocket of Americans. There are dealerships who sell these machines and service technicians who work on them. Let us also not forget the companies who make after market parts for all those metric bikes. It’s a multi-billion dollar industry with most of the money staying right here in America. So don't buy that crap that it is somehow more "patriotic" to buy a Harley. And the most American thing about all of this is that you are FREE to buy whatever you want!

Right on!