[dblshock]

It's becoming popular to add TCW-3 two stroke oil to the E-10 fuel of 4 stroke engines, especially smaller ones like outdoor power equipment and such but all the way to auto's too..the prevailing wisdom is that it adds upper cylinder, injector and fuel pump lube countering the drying effect of ethanol. Claims of better fuel efficiency and much smoother quieter engines are the consensus. A ratio of 640:1 or 1oz. to 5 gal. is called the standard, some are going lighter and adding other chemicals like acetone.

I thought my Stryker could benefit from a smoother quieter engine so I ran the 640:1 'standard mix' 80 miles today and I have to say it works. I noticed less engine noise at idle right away and with only 220 miles on my motor I used 1.824 gallons in 77 mi. avg. 40 mph.

Having said that I do not burn ethanol fuel in anything but my autos, but, if I had no choice I'd really look hard at this because everyone involved agrees it's making a difference.

 

[11Stryker]

Nice find dblshock!

 

[dblshock]

I really like 2 stroke engines and as we know most of are like 50:1 so this 640:1 mix is very lite..in autos the guys report zero cat issues or codes and others are expecting much longer engine life in so complimenting the benefits of E-10 it does sound promising.

 

[ROADKILL]

I'm not sure I'd be adding anything before the 600 mi break in period. And there are guys getting more than 40 mpg already.

 

[toby]

Ya I'm not so sure adding something designed for a two stroke motor into the gas for a four stroke motor is a good idea period. much less adding something during break in period. If you are worried about E10 or just want to treat your fuel injector system with something, use a product designed for that purpose.
I average 42 to 45 mpg unless I'm going up and down the mountain I live on. I put some fuel injector cleaner in for the first time in 11,000 miles when I put a new air cleaner in.
Acetone is quit a harsh chemical to put in any engine. It will dry out rubber parts and more. If you want to run anything like that, denatured alcohol is about the only thing I would use.
Why would you want to put anything in a brand new motor designed to run on today's regular gas with E10 in it?

 

[wayne]

I'm not sure I'd be adding anything before the 600 mi break in period. And there are guys getting more than 40 mpg already.

+1 on that. Give the rings a chance to seat and everything a chance to wear in before adding any extra lubrication.

 

[cambridge]

Even though our bikes run better with 87 octane, if your that worried just run super octane. At least your not going to harm the engine and receive the benefits of a better quality gas.

 

[dblshock]

quickest way to add performance is to juice the fuel, this is not intended to add power but smooths it all out by further lubing the top end ..I'm sure the fuel blenders have some sort of upper cylinder lube additive already.. this just enhances it, nothing in TCW-3 at all to damage the engine at this minimal ratio.

From my run yesterday once everything was at temp the motor was clearly less noisy at and just off idle so to me that meant this was working, quieter means better. (after I got going the wind blurs my ability to carefully listen)

I calculated if you add 1.75 tbs. TCW-3 to a full tank your at 640:1

 

[dblshock]

For those interested I found a 46 pg. thread on the subject...

http://www.ls1.com/forums/f48/been-testing-91206/

 

[11Stryker]

For those interested I found a 46 pg. thread on the subject...

http://www.ls1.com/forums/f48/been-testing-91206/

Thanks Dblshock

 

[dblshock]

...another thought, Strykers are made in Japan then exported through out the world, Yamaha's world list of distribution points is vast.. ethanol is a United States and Brazil thing..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel_by_country

It could very well be these engines will run ethanol but they'll run smoother and longer without it.

 

[toby]

...another thought, Strykers are made in Japan then exported through out the world, Yamaha's world list of distribution points is vast.. ethanol is a United States and Brazil thing..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel_by_country

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Food for thought.
Although the parts/bikes are for the most part manufactured in Japan, at least five Star bikes, maybe more, including the Stryker, 950 and now the Bolt are designed and developed by an American engineering team in America. So one would think that that would include being designed around and to run on US petroleum products???? Yamalube is made in USA. More thoughts, As far as gas goes isn't the standard of quality much lower in most countries than the us anyway? Also ethanol burns just like gas and is only a problem if it sets undisturbed in small amounts for long periods of time. But even pure gas can turn to gum if it sets in small amounts for long periods of time.

 

[toby]

More thoughts for the ethanol paranoia. We have a 2,000 watt Honda generator that was bought in the winter of 2005. Only used when the power goes out from heavy snow/storms or freak accident. Run regular gas in it. It sets for sometimes as long as a year without starting it or moving it. Most of the time we probably put it away with a full tank. One gal tank. Also it's stored out side in a non insulated shed. Also when it's in use it's under a table in the middle of a snow storm. Never once put any kind of gas additive in it and it starts right up every time no problems. So lucky???? Or not.???
We put Lucus fuel injector cleaner in our bikes and other vehicles. We used to put denatured alcohol in the old Virago because it would accumulate moister in the tank and boles.:wink:

 

[ROADKILL]

...another thought, Strykers are made in Japan then exported through out the world, Yamaha's world list of distribution points is vast.. ethanol is a United States and Brazil thing..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel_by_country

It could very well be these engines will run ethanol but they'll run smoother and longer without it.

The Stryker and Raider are not distributed around the world thier primary distribution area is the USA...the ones in other countries have been imported by the buyers.
I've got right a 44,000 miles on my Raider and the only thing I add to the tank is a can of Sea-foam once a year..I only do that because some of the stations I fill up at are in low traffic areas and don't get thier tanks turned over that often.

 

[dblshock]

The Stryker and Raider are not distributed around the world thier primary distribution area is the USA...the ones in other countries have been imported by the buyers.


I stand corrected on the world wide theory, it is just North America.

**related, did Yamaha ever announce how many units they manufactured? imported?

 

[ROADKILL]

The Stryker and Raider are not distributed around the world thier primary distribution area is the USA...the ones in other countries have been imported by the buyers.


I stand corrected on the world wide theory, it is just North America.

**related, did Yamaha ever announce how many units they manufactured? imported?

I know some of the district sales reps and have spoken to Kim Knupp the National Events Mngr and asked them a couple times and they wouldn't say.

 

[coors]

Why do people do weird things.

 

[IDStryker]

I have always added TC-W3 2-stroke to my diesel truck when I fuel up because of the low sulphur fuel. I did it to add some lubricity to help the fuel pumps last longer.

I have a gas station near my house that sells the non-ethanol gas, and I always fill my bike up there. But, how do we know for sure that the fuel really is non-ethanol?

I have always added some seafoam periodically to all my bikes and wheelers because they sit most of the winter, and have had no adverse problems at all.

 

[11Stryker]

I have always added TC-W3 2-stroke to my diesel truck when I fuel up because of the low sulphur fuel. I did it to add some lubricity to help the fuel pumps last longer.

I have a gas station near my house that sells the non-ethanol gas, and I always fill my bike up there. But, how do we know for sure that the fuel really is non-ethanol?

I have always added some seafoam periodically to all my bikes and wheelers because they sit most of the winter, and have had no adverse problems at all.

Same way we know Pringles are made from potatoes!

 

[IDStryker]

Same way we know Pringles are made from potatoes!

Yep, I LOVE assuming things too...