[vdubkiller]

I've been told that with the power commander 5 you have to get on the dyno and download the mapping and then upload into the programmer, versus the cobra fi2000r its pretty much plug and play. Thanks for everyones help on this.

 

[kcl-labrat]

plug and play all the way

 

[11Stryker]

CVT Autotune!! Why would you want to have to get it tuned all over again with each new mod you may do in the future. Will end up costing a whole lot more in the end.

 

[chris]

the power commander is the same as the cobra fi2000r which you can get for $249.00. The power commander you need a dyno to tune it but you can get the auto add on but after you buy the power commander and the add on auto tuner you'll spend over 600 dollars. Cobra powerpro all the way ;D

 

[kcl-labrat]

X 2

 

[vdubkiller]

Thanks guys for all the great advice and sharing of your knowledge, it looks like its cobra all the way. Thanks again, this forum is so helpful, and everyone is willing to help each other out, awesome!

 

[middleagecrisis]

Been doing a lot of research on this question because I don't want to wait for the Cobra PowerPro. What I've learned is you don't have to get it dyno'd if you buy the auto tuner too. The MSRP on the PCV is 359.99 and the Auto Tuner is 250.00 which puts you at 609.99. About a 150.00 difference so you don't have to wait at least four weeks. Depends on if the 150.00 is worth the wait.

I placed an order for the PowerPro but will cancel if I can find the PCV and Autotuner.

 

[kov68]

I ended up only paying $280.00 shipped ($269.00 w/ $11.00 shipping) once I sent my 1st PC V back that I paid $340.00 at another dealer.
http://www.hardracing.com/POWERCOMMANDERS/YAMAHA.htm

 

[74novaguy]

Auto Tune Cobra all they way. Plug and play for cheaper and you never have to mess with it. Do your mods and keep doing them. It uses the stock 02 sensor so you never have to add a wideband 02 and all the other crap.

 

[ApacheStryke]

Ok - mapping versus autotune - I have a brother who has a 2006 Mustang Cobra and a 2011 Mustang GT - He has used programmable tuners on all of his "play" things. Now - I am not sure if they even make "auto tuners" for the cars - but he drag races all of his stuff and he likes having the ability to "map" the fuel and ignition system to what he wants - not something that. I guess my question is - if you are looking for the most performance - which really is better? I.e. - I understand that the auto tuner samples every 80 times a second and what ever - but it still has to have a "map" stored that says something like - if the engine/throttle/rpm/etc is this - then set these parameters to X - doesn't it? And if so - is this new value the actual best value or is it some type of overall average?

All that said - I am getting a set of cobra sweptbacks for my bike and - later - a big air kit of some type and when I get the big air kit I'll get a fuel programmer and these are the kinds of things I wondering about. All replies ad education would be appreciated!

 

[MC]

When it comes to these programmers it is all about the fuel mixture. Not to rich and not to lean. The problem with locked in maps is that if anything changes then that map is no longer good or atleast most optimum. I am not just talking about mods like pipes or an intake. I am also talking about changes in load like adding a passenger and/or bags. Also, external air density makes a difference. I live in Las Vegas at low elevation. If decided to go for a ride to Arizona then I will be climing atleast 2500 feet in elevation which is a big difference in density. Weather can play with this as well. The auto tuners will constantly measure and adjust your fuel mixture while the fixed map will be much more limited. Unless you are just racing where the conditions are always the same then auto tuners would be the best way to go.

 

[74novaguy]

Id rather not have something to mess with. I did a fuel injection swap on my dads 63 camaro and it lets me program custom maps in it. It seems like anytime I get the chance I want to mess with it and see if I can get any more out of it. I really dont want to be that way with my bike. just bolt the new stuff on and go.

 

[dliszews]

Dynojet makes an auto tuner that works in conjunction with the Power Commander V, and replicates what the Cobra CVT does. It looks like it was just released for the Stryker. Downside - more expensive and looks to be a more complicated install.

 

[chris]

Ok - mapping versus autotune - I have a brother who has a 2006 Mustang Cobra and a 2011 Mustang GT - He has used programmable tuners on all of his "play" things. Now - I am not sure if they even make "auto tuners" for the cars - but he drag races all of his stuff and he likes having the ability to "map" the fuel and ignition system to what he wants - not something that. I guess my question is - if you are looking for the most performance - which really is better? I.e. - I understand that the auto tuner samples every 80 times a second and what ever - but it still has to have a "map" stored that says something like - if the engine/throttle/rpm/etc is this - then set these parameters to X - doesn't it? And if so - is this new value the actual best value or is it some type of overall average?

All that said - I am getting a set of cobra sweptbacks for my bike and - later - a big air kit of some type and when I get the big air kit I'll get a fuel programmer and these are the kinds of things I wondering about. All replies ad education would be appreciated!

So far the auto tuner has blown my mind. I put it on when I only had drilled holes in my exhaust with stock intake and it ran perfect. Just yesterday I did the airbox mod on my bike ( cut a big hole on the inside of the airbox) so now the bike is getting alot more air and the auto tuner seemed to adjust spot on it now has alot more power with the mod. If you didn't have the auto tuner you would have to go and get it remapped again. Is the auto tuner spot on probably not but I'll tell you its very very close. The auto tuner automatically creates its own map depending on the feedback the bike is giving it every second. Manual tuning a bike you can get the known optimum power out of the engine but that could change the next day weather wise, different mods, different weight on the bike, different fuel. The auto tuner will adjust to these situations. I see it this way if a auto tuner wasn't the way to go then dynojet wouldn't of came out with one as a addon for the powercommander.

 

[11Stryker]

Spot on XPS!!!

 

[docprince]

the power commander is the same as the cobra fi2000r which you can get for $249.00. The power commander you need a dyno to tune it but you can get the auto add on but after you buy the power commander and the add on auto tuner you'll spend over 600 dollars. Cobra powerpro all the way ;D

Where's a good place to buy the cobra fi2000r?

 

[clar2001]

www.pacificcoaststar.com

 

[chris]

http://www.phatperformanceparts.com/Cobra_FI2000R_Closed_Loop_Model_Fuel_Tuner_Stryk_p/92-1770cl.htm

 

[wlfpak65]

Why would you buy the fi2000r though??

 

[docprince]

Why would you buy the fi2000r though??

I dunno...thought that's the one that won out in the poll