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For those new to group riding or old farts needing a refresher... got this from the Indianapolis Motorcycle Group -

Ride the Plan

Ideally, you know and trust the people you ride with. However, there has to be a first time for any riding companion. A pre-ride discussion of your plans, preferences, and requirements helps everyone avoid surprises. Talk about a pace, signals, details like fuel stops and routes, and make sure everyone gets to offer something. If you ride with a club, it may have a fairly detailed set of rules for group rides, with procedures for a variety of situations. This post will establish riding criteria for the IMG.

On the road, don't be afraid to use hand signals and use those signals liberally, be sure that other riders are aware of your intentions so that no one is caught by surprise.
The group's leader should signal early and slow gradually. Ideally he knows the route intimately and has a plan to get everyone safely along it without disrupting other traffic. But if it is his first time there, he may get surprised too and have to make a quick decision such as whether to turn abruptly or miss the turn and try to find a way to get everyone turned around safely on down the road.

It's always good to have an experienced rider at the back of the group to ride sweep and attend to those who have problems. He should have a cell phone to call for help. He should also have the group leader's number PRE-PROGRAMMED into his phone.

If you aren't comfortable with the riders you end up riding with, give yourself plenty of margin until you discover your companions' habits. Or ask to be moved to a group with whom you are more familiar. Don't be afraid to hurt someone's feelings if it may prevent a bad situation...like scratched chrome.

If you aren't comfortable with what others in the group do, drop out before it causes trouble. A common problem is a speed differential. Slower riders often feel uncomfortable trying to maintain the pace of faster folks. They shouldn't try to. If the other riders complain that you are slowing them down, tell them to go ahead. We should all know where we are going to end up so there should be no pressure to keep up with a group, we ran into this last season and it didn't turn out well. We are committed to not having it happen again. If we get separated due to traffic or riding comfort levels there are things we can do to get back together, but above all DON'T PUSH YOURSELF TO KEEP UP with more experienced riders!

To help your group get together again, use these three systems:

1. Give everyone an emergency phone number in writing to call (perhaps someone's answering machine which everyone knows the code for) or everyone's cell phone numbers. If you have just a single number, Murphy's Sixth Law of Communication says that phone's battery will be dead when the lost boys try to call it.

2. Agree on the next stop every time you all pause for gas, grub or sightseeing. Be precise, "the first gas station on the west side of town," for example.

3. Make sure everyone knows the afternoon's or evening's destination, preferably in writing.

The basic group riding formation is familiar to most riders. The lead rider rides to the left of the lane, with the second rider to the right and a few lengths back. The third rider is a similar distance behind the second, and so on. This staggered formation leaves room for each bike to swerve to the side and provides reaction time to brake. But you can't change speed and the side of the lane at the same time. Riding side by side limits escape routes when a threat arises. When overtaking and passing traffic, the second rider follows the first, and the third hangs back to let the second pull in to the left to make the pass.

When roads get twisty or narrow, you should open up into a single-file formation. When you come to a stop at an intersection, tighten up into a two-abreast configuration at the stop. If you all stay in a single lane at intersections with two or more lanes each way, it gives the traffic behind you a chance to pass. While it is tempting to block an intersection so your entire group can go through, it is against the law. So is leaving in large bunches at a time from a four-way stop. More than two (you can each say you thought the other was waiting) is also a request for citation. Just use your mellon and we should all be fine.

One common problem seen with large groups is a failure to provide gaps for other traffic. On a two-lane road, it may be impossible for overtaking traffic to safely pass a line of a dozen or more bikes. Some members of the group may get run off the road if a driver tries to pass and has to pull back into the right lane when oncoming traffic appears. On a multi-lane road like an interstate, a long double column of motorcycles may trap a car on one side of it, blocking it from reaching an exit. Some riders act as if permitting a car to cross their column of bikes is a violation of their religious and constitutional rights, and can make a driver already in a panic about missing his exit quite dangerous.

Do address this problem. It's best to ride in sub-groups of four to six bikes and provide a gap of four or more car lengths between each sub-group. These groups can also be responsible for each other, taking care of other members of their group so that the entire fleet of bikes doesn't end up trying to squeeze onto the shoulder, which can create a real hazard.

If the group is stopping, make sure that everyone gets completely off the road. If you are arriving at a destination with a large group, bikes at the front should keep moving to allow room for the one behind to pull off the road.

Motorcycles riding in large groups consistently do a bad job of passing slower traffic on two-lane roads, which can create a dangerous situation. Typically they cut back in too close to the car they just passed and immediately slow down. This not only annoys the driver, it leaves little room for the next rider coming up behind. He or she has to wedge in even closer to the front of the car being passed. I have seen riders get locked out of the lane because those ahead left no space for them to pass. When passing a car on a road with only one lane going each direction, keep your speed up after you have completed the pass, and don't slow back down until there is a gap large enough for all the riders behind you to pull back in and safely decelerate. Stay aware of what the riders behind you are doing. If you are farther back in the group, don't begin your pass until there is a gap ahead of the car for you and the other riders in your sub-group.

For a chart of the approved signals see the next post, it's there along with a few things all IMG rides should have together prior to setting out. We have a hugely diverse group of riders and just as many styles and classes of bikes, ability's of riders and bikes are also at all ends of the spectrum, and in order to coexist with out getting into a giant furball we all have to accept the responsibility to ride with the next guy (or gal) in mind
 

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Really good info, thank you! =) I get nervous in groups, until I get familiar with how others ride. So far the groups I have ridden with have been very small, one or two other bikes, I have a tendency to fall back, and give myself space between me and the other rider(s) until I get comfortable with how they ride. If I am put in the lead lol I get focused on the road when it gets twisty and tend to let those behind me fend for themselves lol
This is largely due to the fact that everyone I ride with is far more experienced then I am, so I figure they can look after themselves and I need to pay attention to what I am doing so I don't get myself in a fix. So far I have been told I am a decent pace setter ;)
 

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I ride with alot of guys from school and since im from florida they always make me lead, honestly it stresses me out. I like riding in the back where i can see everything going on. I attend mmi in orlando and i guess they assume i always know where i am going. (I dont)
 

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With the weather finally starting to thaw a bit for us Northerners... and Group Rides coming up... Just thought I'd bump this!

Be Safe, Have Fun, Keep the Shiny Side Up, Deuces Down Low & all that good stuff!
 

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Good info, thanks, one other point that aggravates/worries me is when some members of the group insist in spreading across multiple lanes while sitting at the same pace, the traffic banks up behind them if the group is going slower than the general flow, which can lead to an aggravated car driver doing something that puts others in the group at risk.

Getting the other traffic mad by blocking the road isn't a smart or good move for anyone IMHO, a large group from an outlaw club may be able to get away with it, for ordinary bikers it's askin' for trouble.

FWIW,

Neale
 

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Motorcycle Etiquette: How Not To Wave Like A Dork!





Doing The Biker Wave.



If you drive a motorcycle, you know about “The Wave”. “The Wave” is your rolling connection to the biker brother & sisterhood, but is there a special secret to this wave? When you started riding did you seek out a wave master and perhaps copy theirs, or did you develop one of your own? Have you ever wondered if you’re wave appropriate? Do you wonder if the wave you’re flashing is politically correct, not brand specific enough or old and outdated? Unfortunately, wave training is not covered in the basic or advanced motorcycle safety classes.
Many riders believe there was a secret wave society similar to the Priere de Sion formed around 1903 when that first HD rolled out of that shed, but there wasn’t. It all started, one day in 1904 when Arthur Davidson passed by William Harley and since they knew each other, they waved. Well, another biker saw the two "Kings of Motorcycles" doing this and thought this was a biker necessity and the tradition was born. The waving tradition continued on through the years and became haphazard. There were bikers doing the “Bye Grandma Wave”, others doing the "Howdy Wave" and still others doing the extremely feminine “Princess Wave". In 1946, after several years of these, image destroying gestures, a group of crusty old bikers decided to put some proper waving rules in place and formed the Wave Hard And True - Biker Society. Abbreviated: WHAT-BS
To wave or not to wave, that is the question. We’ve all faced that critical mass state when we felt obligated to wave but then became unsure. The worrying starts and then there’s that overwhelming feeling of guilt. Well, worry no more; here are some general waving rules to help guide you : 1)interstate; unnecessary, 2) in a curve; unnecessary 3) in the rain or at night; unnecessary 4) on a mellow two lane; proper. 5) a highway with little traffic; proper 6) A rally, unnecessary and 7) in traffic, unnecessary. There are, however, times when not waving is just down right rude. So if you’re not a jackass, when you are presented with “The Wave” you should, if at all possible, reciprocate. If it’s the proper place and time and you receive no reciprocal wave, don’t get your panties in a bunch and think you’ve just passed a jackass, because there are some acceptable reasons. These reasons are as follows: 1) you weren’t seen, 2) clutch manipulation or 3) a head nod was substituted.
There are 5 basic waves 1) the left-handed low wave, 2) the left-handed straight out wave, 3) the left-handed high wave 4) the right-handed (ha, ha, I have cruise control) wave and 5) the left-handed forward wave. The variations of these waves are as varied as the bikers & the bikes they drive, but there are some basic rules.
1) Left-handed low wave, sometimes called the Harley or cruiser wave. Typically seen used on cruiser style or custom chopped motorcycles. The arm is fully extended and aimed down towards the street in a 45 or lesser degree angle with the extension of either one, two, three or five fingers. The direction of the palm is also critical to the look and feel of this wave. The palm must either face the other rider or face the road. A classic variation of the finger positioning is throwing a peace sign (Duce) or thumbs up. To low wave with an angle greater than 45 degrees and/or with the palm facing up or back and/or with the use of 4 fingers is telling the biker community at large that you are either new or inept. If you have a cruiser and can’t get this wave to work for you, then consider the Left-Handed straight out wave or trading out your bike.
2) Left-handed straight out wave is an all around general wave. Typically seen used on crotch rockets, cruisers, customs and baggers alike. The arm can be either fully or partially extended with no more than a 10 degree angle higher or lower than the shoulder. The palm must be facing the oncoming rider in either a horizontal or vertical position and a full palm must be shown. It is suggested you present the hand in a relaxed state, as flattening it will make you look like a dork. The classic variations of the peace sign (duce) or thumbs up are also acceptable. If practiced, this is one of the easiest waves to master and will work with all bikes. If for some reason you can’t get this wave to work, you will probably have serious problems with the kickstand dynamic and should immediately sell your motorcycle before you cause yourself anymore embarrassment!
3) Left-handed high wave is a variation of the typical wave seen made by kings and kids alike. Mostly used by upright riders of crotch rockets and baggers. The elbow is kept even or slightly lower than shoulder height. The elbow should be bent at about a 75 – 85 degree angle with a slight forward angling of the forearm. The palm must be facing the oncoming rider and the hand can either remain still or the use of a side to side motion is acceptable. This wave has been proven very useful when you have a loose watchband. It is suggested you present the hand in a relaxed state, as once again, flattening it will make you appear to be a dork. The classic variations of the peace sign (duce) or thumbs up are frowned upon when using this type of wave. it’s a bit too over the top. Important: Should you be riding a crotch rocket, it is extremely important to maintain the image by using this wave only if the left hand is coming from the left hip or thigh. This should never, ever be used when coming from the handlebars. Warning of possible injury: Do not use this type of wave on a cruiser. You will appear aloof, snobbish and everyone will hate you! If you have a medical condition or feel you must use this type of wave, get a bagger or ride a crotch rocket only in the upright position and don’t be a dick about it. There are rules!
4) Right-handed (ha, ha, I have cruise control) wave. This is an occasional use wave by bagger riders. Typically seen being employed by Ultra Classic and Goldwing riders. They’re riding on rolling living room sofas. These big, comfy and not really coooool bikes are great for touring. This lack of coolness can cause a temporary condition known as “Dickishness” which can be instantly healed by passing a cruiser giving the right hand wave. The general message being sent is “You might be on a cool bike but **** it, I’m comfy”. If the rider of the touring bike is a smoker he will typically light up a cigarette or a cigar, just to drive that point home.
5) Left-handed forward wave. This wave is solely used by crotch rocket riders because, let’s face it, what the **** else can they do in that position? A flashed wave, is almost imperceptible due to the speed of the wave and the bike. To execute this wave one must slightly raise the left hand from the grip, no more than 3 or 4 inches, show the palm and return to the grip. This entire motion must be fluid and executed in under three seconds. You must learn all the intricacies of this wave before you take your first ride. If you don’t, they will know you’re a newbie and you’ll instantly become pink slip bait. The only way to avoid this lame wave stigma is by doing something crazy like riding a wheelie while naked. If you don’t fall off, that’s a big plus!
The last and probably most important part of the wave is the hand you’re using to wave. You’ll want to care for that hand because without it; How do you expect to wave? Get some of the Time Rider's Shtuff For Bikers; Crack & Crevice Cleaner (body & bike cleaner) to clean that hand up and some Totally Awesome Crap (liquid glove) to protect it
When approaching another biker always remember to maintain the rule of "The Wave", you never know who's watching! The Time Rider
 

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One thing I do different when leading a ride is I let everyone know to watch which side of the lane I am in - If I'm on the left side that means we will be turning left at some point same with if I'm on the right side. So if we make a left turn and the next one is a right turn - as I transition through the turn I change sides.
But this isn't what we were taught - here's a real scenario, you are leading you are on the left side of the lane making a right hand turn - the next bike is not paying attention because he's busy arguing with his ole' lady and has to lock up his brakes to keep from T-boning you. If you were on the right (which puts him on the left side) side he could have just missed the turn and caught up later.
I also ask everyone in the group to ride with their high beam on - so I can try to do a periodic head count.
 

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Roadkill, does that force everyone to change with you? So if you are left, then the next guy should be right. Then you swap so the next guy swaps.. so the entire line will be swapping all the time?

Just curious, i've never heard it done that way.
 

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Roadkill, does that force everyone to change with you? So if you are left, then the next guy should be right. Then you swap so the next guy swaps.. so the entire line will be swapping all the time?

Just curious, i've never heard it done that way.
Yes they have to change sides when I do but most of the time the turns are miles apart so it has never been an issue. Most of the rides in Maggie Valley are single line formation and now that I'm riding a Spyder guess that has all changed now.
 

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One thing I do different when leading a ride is I let everyone know to watch which side of the lane I am in - If I'm on the left side that means we will be turning left at some point same with if I'm on the right side. So if we make a left turn and the next one is a right turn - as I transition through the turn I change sides.
But this isn't what we were taught - here's a real scenario, you are leading you are on the left side of the lane making a right hand turn - the next bike is not paying attention because he's busy arguing with his ole' lady and has to lock up his brakes to keep from T-boning you. If you were on the right (which puts him on the left side) side he could have just missed the turn and caught up later.
I also ask everyone in the group to ride with their high beam on - so I can try to do a periodic head count.
Great Idea ROADKILL! I'll try that on our ride to Blackwater Inn on Saturday...
 
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