Very Fair response in my eyes!
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I believe Low and Mean is just trying to warn us of possible problems. they have not stated a manufacturer or said the name PCS once.
Low and Mean,
If you want to get into a debate about "safety" and "ethics" we will. But your business made a comment about lowering links on a post that is specifically titled "PCS Lowering Conncetors". So you dont need to "directly" reference our lowering kit. The inference is already implied. Once again, as I said, the reason we replied is because several customers called us regarding your comment which they also interpreted to be specifically about our product.
Furthermore, as far as you information goes, as informative as it is and well written, you do not take into account, and fail to inform forum members here that the DOT allows 10% variance up or down on tire sizes. So a 240 tire can be anywhere from 216 all the way up to 264, and still can be called a 240 tire. You measured 1 tire, so to say you can take your info to the bank, is not actually the case. This does not take into account the acceptable variance in tire height also. So the information you have provided here is only applicable for the one brand and model of tire you tested. So you measured a Dunlop Elite 3 tire, that in no way guarantees the same safety to a rider that purchases a Avon, or Metzler etc.
We never accused you of being mad, why would we do that. I'm saying your are making derogatory comments about a product in a post that is specifically about our product. To be fair, we can go find post about your products, and deliver our opinions about them if you would like, but we are not going to, and I'm very sure that is not what forum members want.
This is one of the main reasons PCS (and other companies) often do not frequent forums (moderators can take note here). We spend more time defending ourselves from sly comments from other manufacturers than we do actually answering questions from members. Which we feel is very counter productive. Futhermore your insinuation about us being un-ethical and you being "ethical" and that we are not giving facts, and that you are, is offensive.
Written deceptively well, but sneaky at being derogatory to other companies.
If you want to get into a debate about "safety" and "ethics" we will. But your business made a comment about lowering links on a post that is specifically titled "PCS Lowering Conncetors". So you dont need to "directly" reference our lowering kit. The inference is already implied. Once again, as I said, the reason we replied is because several customers called us regarding your comment which they also interpreted to be specifically about our product.
Furthermore, as far as you information goes, as informative as it is and well written, you do not take into account, and fail to inform forum members here that the DOT allows 10% variance up or down on tire sizes. So a 240 tire can be anywhere from 216 all the way up to 264, and still can be called a 240 tire. You measured 1 tire, so to say you can take your info to the bank, is not actually the case. This does not take into account the acceptable variance in tire height also. So the information you have provided here is only applicable for the one brand and model of tire you tested. So you measured a Dunlop Elite 3 tire, that in no way guarantees the same safety to a rider that purchases a Avon, or Metzler etc.
We never accused you of being mad, why would we do that. I'm saying your are making derogatory comments about a product in a post that is specifically about our product. To be fair, we can go find post about your products, and deliver our opinions about them if you would like, but we are not going to, and I'm very sure that is not what forum members want.
This is one of the main reasons PCS (and other companies) often do not frequent forums (moderators can take note here). We spend more time defending ourselves from sly comments from other manufacturers than we do actually answering questions from members. Which we feel is very counter productive. Futhermore your insinuation about us being un-ethical and you being "ethical" and that we are not giving facts, and that you are, is offensive.
Written deceptively well, but sneaky at being derogatory to other companies.
Ok, I think both sides have stated their positions on this issue and I will leave this info up for educational purposes. If it goes any further I will be forced to lock the topic. I respect both sides and will leave it at that.
That's not completely true either. I put a Metzler on the stock rim and I did need to trim ever so slightly the lower belt guard. It was right at touching. I didn't have to trim much but I did trim. The Metzler is designed a bit differently as it allows for a narrower rim size. It doesn't pinch the tire as much and allows for it to actually spread out like it's suppose to.Low said:One more thing, there's no clearance issue with the 240 tire on the stock rim as far as width, it when you install the 240 on a 8.5 rim that you will need to notch out the lower belt guard, but the cut is easy and everything else clears fine.
LM
I think he is referring that if you go with a wider than stock rim and the 240, you will have issues. Stock is 7 and custom is usually 8.5.......correct me if I'm wrong.
Or maybe I should change the title of the thread......I see that was a main concern in PCS's response.....
I think they should send ever member on here a free set to test them out. 
Well I think our words are being misconstrued to offend PCS. We are not here to cause turmoil but to state a fact that we have learned with our experience with the Star Stryker. PSC is not being accused of anything, but your assuming you are. I have never attacked PCS, in fact we have stated hearing good reviews. Your response is an eye opener for all.Pacific said:Low and Mean,
If you want to get into a debate about "safety" and "ethics" we will. But your business made a comment about lowering links on a post that is specifically titled "PCS Lowering Conncetors". So you dont need to "directly" reference our lowering kit. The inference is already implied. Once again, as I said, the reason we replied is because several customers called us regarding your comment which they also interpreted to be specifically about our product.
Furthermore, as far as you information goes, as informative as it is and well written, you do not take into account, and fail to inform forum members here that the DOT allows 10% variance up or down on tire sizes. So a 240 tire can be anywhere from 216 all the way up to 264, and still can be called a 240 tire. You measured 1 tire, so to say you can take your info to the bank, is not actually the case. This does not take into account the acceptable variance in tire height also. So the information you have provided here is only applicable for the one brand and model of tire you tested. So you measured a Dunlop Elite 3 tire, that in no way guarantees the same safety to a rider that purchases a Avon, or Metzler etc.
We never accused you of being mad, why would we do that. I'm saying your are making derogatory comments about a product in a post that is specifically about our product. To be fair, we can go find post about your products, and deliver our opinions about them if you would like, but we are not going to, and I'm very sure that is not what forum members want.
This is one of the main reasons PCS (and other companies) often do not frequent forums (moderators can take note here). We spend more time defending ourselves from sly comments from other manufacturers than we do actually answering questions from members. Which we feel is very counter productive. Futhermore your insinuation about us being un-ethical and you being "ethical" and that we are not giving facts, and that you are, is offensive.
Written deceptively well, but sneaky at being derogatory to other companies.
Thank you.
LM
Where's that **** popcorn eating emoticon?
Pleeeeeeeeease.......don't make me do this.
I asked that it be left at that....I sure don't want to
lock this down.
Again both companies are highly respected here and put out great product.
I asked that it be left at that....I sure don't want to
lock this down.
Again both companies are highly respected here and put out great product.
Agreed, lets let this thread go to rest.dejablu110 said:Again both companies are highly respected here and put out great product.
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