thanks guys for all the info it helped alot i went out and removed the baffels and went on a little ride to test it out sounds awsome just as good if not better than my brothers HD fatboy and i can walk all over him anytime he just keeps sayn that his must not be runing wright or it to hot for his to run at its best i call BS on that but hey its my bro so i have to give him a little pat on the back and say its ok that you little brother can kick you but at somthing